Need help with strange Nutscrape issue...

seanr · February 7th, 2001, 05:55 AM

Hoookayy... This page is designed with a series of pop up menus for the navigation. All four links accross the top have them, and two of the ones on the side do. They work _perfectly_ in Internet Explorer. Can anyone tell me why the menus accross the top work flawlessly in Netscape 4.7x, while the ones on the left barely flash before disappearing again? Same code for all the menus, so why are the ones on the left causing me such cranial agony? What really bizarre is that in Mozilla, the two side menus work perfectly, but the top ones don't show up. HUH??? If anyone can help out, I will be forever greatfull, as I'd like to be able to reuse this code for future sites. If you want to see the only alternative we have to DHTML, go take a look at the way the menus were done on www.firstvirginia.com and www.oldpoint.com, and you'll see why I want this to work so badly. ;-) Here's the URL to the misbehaving page:
http://www.mania-online.com/hrea/airport_history.html

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Sean Robertson
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http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.mania-online.com

"A doctor can bury his mistakes, and architect can only advise his clients to plant vines."
- Frank Lloyd Wright

"I'm the UUA and I vote."
"Don't blame me, I voted with the Majority!"

McC · February 7th, 2001, 05:47 PM

People may have it in for Microsoft, but I tell ya...the one thing they did perfectly right was IE. I've never met a more web designer-friendly browser than IE. Netscape is decrepit and until they can at least make it interpret frames to one pixel (like IE), I won't be a supporter of it.

In short: forget about Netscape and put a JavaScript on there that redirects them to the IE download page!

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seanr · February 7th, 2001, 06:35 PM

While I'd sure like to do that, unfortunately, this is the real world and I don't have that option. It has to work in both browsers or we can't use it. No way of getting around that.

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Sean Robertson
webolutionary@webolutionary.com
http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.mania-online.com

"A doctor can bury his mistakes, and architect can only advise his clients to plant vines."
- Frank Lloyd Wright

"I'm the UUA and I vote."
"Don't blame me, I voted with the Majority!"

TheMightySpud · February 9th, 2001, 04:49 PM

Knows where Sean is coming from on the cross-platform issue.

Now we have 3 browsers to design for (NS6 works a little differently than 4.x)

Anyway, back to the point........umm, Sean, seems that the DHTML works fine in NS4.x

(Well, it's does for me anyhow.)

Paul

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"Due to lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled"

"If at first you don't succeed.........Improvise"

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TheMightySpud · February 9th, 2001, 04:50 PM

No wait, my bad, misunderstood what you were saying.

May have a solution for you soon

Paul

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"Due to lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled"

"If at first you don't succeed.........Improvise"

Phoenix Fleet : Project Farside

TheMightySpud · February 9th, 2001, 04:55 PM

Okay, think I may have it, not sure though.

Bottom of the code.

Where the images are (Outside of the table, in teh hidden layer.

(Standard parentheses have replaced pointy ones

(DIV style="visibility:hidden;")(DIV Ttyle="visibility:hidden;")

It doesn't look like the second (DIV) is needed, and unless I missed something ealier in the code, (DIV Ttyle) ain't a standard tag.

That's the only thing that leaps out.

I'll keep looking though

Paul

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"Due to lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled"

"If at first you don't succeed.........Improvise"

Phoenix Fleet : Project Farside

seanr · February 9th, 2001, 06:07 PM

Are we looking at the same page?

Here's what's on the bottom on that page:

<div style="visibility:hidden;">
<layer visibility="hide">
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_05-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_07-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_09-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_11-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_14-over.gif" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_15-over.gif" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_16-over.gif" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_17-over.gif" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_19-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_20-over.gif" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_20-over-26.gif" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_25-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_26-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<img src="resources/images/airport_history_28-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
</layer>
</div>

That is in place of a javascript preload function, so that all the rolovers are loaded when the page loads. That makes the page a lot easier to reload in Netscape, and is more efficient than a javascript preload script.

FYI, you can simply type &lt; in place of < and &gt; in place of >, rather than using perentheses. UBB is just passing the HTML right through to the browser, so you can use all of the standard special character entity names as you would in a normal web page.

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Sean Robertson
webolutionary@webolutionary.com
http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.mania-online.com

"A doctor can bury his mistakes, and architect can only advise his clients to plant vines."
- Frank Lloyd Wright

"I'm the UUA and I vote."
"Don't blame me, I voted with the Majority!"

seanr · February 9th, 2001, 06:09 PM

PS, I've got a layer nested inside a div like that so that both browsers will properly hide that block. IE will recognize the div and Netscape the layer, but each will ignore the other.

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Sean Robertson
webolutionary@webolutionary.com
http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.mania-online.com

"A doctor can bury his mistakes, and architect can only advise his clients to plant vines."
- Frank Lloyd Wright

"I'm the UUA and I vote."
"Don't blame me, I voted with the Majority!"

TheMightySpud · February 10th, 2001, 02:07 AM

Okay, here's what I get when I look at the source in NS of the page you supplied at the beginning of the thread.

(The last bit of code)

<DIV style="visibility:hidden;"><DIV Ttyle="visibility:hidden;">
<LAYER visibility="hide">
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_05-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_07-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_09-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_11-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_14-over.gif" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_15-over.gif" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_16-over.gif" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_17-over.gif" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_19-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_20-over.gif" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_20-over-26.gif" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_25-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_26-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
<IMG src="resources/images/airport_history_28-over.jpg" width=1 height=1>
</LAYER>
</DIV>

The thing that leaped out at me is that there is and extra DIV tag in there.

Paul

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"Due to lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled"

"If at first you don't succeed.........Improvise"

Phoenix Fleet : Project Farside

seanr · February 10th, 2001, 06:08 AM

I don't know where the hell that's coming from, because it isn't in the code. Sounds like Netscape is just arbtrarily adding shazbot wherever it fricking feels like. God, that browser SUCKS.

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Sean Robertson
webolutionary@webolutionary.com
http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.mania-online.com

"A doctor can bury his mistakes, and architect can only advise his clients to plant vines."
- Frank Lloyd Wright

"I'm the UUA and I vote."
"Don't blame me, I voted with the Majority!"

TheMightySpud · February 10th, 2001, 06:56 AM

Sean,

Well, everytime I view the source inside of Netscape it's there

And I'm not going to get into the big Browser issue, cause we'd only argue

BTW, is this hard coded (typed HTML) or soft coded (Dreamweaver or the like?)

Paul

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"Due to lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled"

"If at first you don't succeed.........Improvise"

Phoenix Fleet : Project Farside

seanr · February 10th, 2001, 09:00 AM

The original page was coded by ImageReady, but it was cleaned up by hand and I added the DHTML and javascript by hand. I don't use wysiwyg editors as they tend to screw stuff up and don't give you fine enough control.

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Sean Robertson
webolutionary@webolutionary.com
http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.mania-online.com

"A doctor can bury his mistakes, and architect can only advise his clients to plant vines."
- Frank Lloyd Wright

"I'm the UUA and I vote."
"Don't blame me, I voted with the Majority!"

TheMightySpud · February 10th, 2001, 09:52 AM

Yay, another hand-coder

Rare breed these days

Well, that's the only problem that I can see with the code.

So other than than I ain't got a clue.

Paul

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"Due to lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled"

"If at first you don't succeed.........Improvise"

Phoenix Fleet : Project Farside

February 10th, 2001, 01:14 PM

*raises hand* I'm a hand coder...

TheMightySpud · February 10th, 2001, 01:19 PM

Woohoo, even better

*salutes all the hand coders off the world*

Hehe,

Paul

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"Due to lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled"

"If at first you don't succeed.........Improvise"

Lo, so I see my father.
Lo, there do I see my mother.
And my sisters, and my brothers.
Lo, there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning.
Lo, they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
In the halls of Valhalla, where the brave, they live.
Forever.

*Ancient Viking War Prayer*

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McC · February 10th, 2001, 02:06 PM

I never use anything but notepad!

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MC3D II is coming...

February 10th, 2001, 02:21 PM

Uh-oh, we got a live on here...

TheMightySpud · February 10th, 2001, 02:25 PM

"Never under-estimate the power of Notepad"

Paul

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"Due to lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled"

"If at first you don't succeed.........Improvise"

Lo, so I see my father.
Lo, there do I see my mother.
And my sisters, and my brothers.
Lo, there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning.
Lo, they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
In the halls of Valhalla, where the brave, they live.
Forever.

*Ancient Viking War Prayer*

Phoenix Fleet : Project Farside

seanr · February 10th, 2001, 02:39 PM

OK, so can any of you hand-coders help me out here???

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Sean Robertson
webolutionary@webolutionary.com
http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.mania-online.com

"A doctor can bury his mistakes, and architect can only advise his clients to plant vines."
- Frank Lloyd Wright

"I'm the UUA and I vote."
"Don't blame me, I voted with the Majority!"

McC · February 10th, 2001, 05:05 PM

I can't...if Netscape starts giving me trouble, and I can't fix it within 30 mins, I just set up a JavaScript that laughs at Netscrape people and goes normal for IE.

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MC3D II is coming...

TheMightySpud · February 10th, 2001, 05:24 PM

LOL @ MrMcC.

Coward

Sean. Everything with the code look fine to me (Although I do hate DHTML with a passion.

)

Anyway, I can't seem to find anything wrong with it, except that pesky tage down at the bottom.

Paul

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"Due to lack of interest, tomorrow has been cancelled"

"If at first you don't succeed.........Improvise"

Lo, so I see my father.
Lo, there do I see my mother.
And my sisters, and my brothers.
Lo, there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning.
Lo, they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
In the halls of Valhalla, where the brave, they live.
Forever.

*Ancient Viking War Prayer*

Phoenix Fleet : Project Farside

April 7th, 2001, 03:54 AM

Ever fix it? Going to that page, it looks like you haven't. Don't know if this will help you figure out a solution, but the menus do stay visible if you don't move your cursor once it appears....you have to do it carefully.

seanr · April 7th, 2001, 03:16 PM

I never did figure out what the ****l was wrong with it. I'd still like some help here, if anyone would care to give it a try.

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Sean Robertson
webolutionary@webolutionary.com
http://www.webolutionary.com
http://www.mania-online.com

"A doctor can bury his mistakes, and architect can only advise his clients to plant vines."
- Frank Lloyd Wright

"I'm the UUA and I vote."
"Don't blame me, I voted with the Majority!"

April 10th, 2001, 11:00 AM

I haven't found the popup-menu problem yet, but I can confirm the spurious "Ttyle" tag. Nutscrape (4.76) seems to be inserting it on its own; "Show Source" lists it, but "Save File As..." doesn't produce it. Removing the semicolon from the "visibility:hidden" seems to stop Nutscrape from adding in the broken tag (this doesn't fix the popup problem, though).

As to the relative merits of each browser, you all are approaching the question from the wrong direction. It's not a question of which one is best -- it's a question of which one sucks the least.

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